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This is Irene Reese interviewing Doctor Antonio Sandoval at the West Branch Library. Uh, this is tape 58A. Doctor Sandoval is a professor of chemistry at the University of Missouri at Kansas City. Doctor Sandoval, I would like to ask you, uh, something about your early life, like

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where you were born and when. OK, I was born on July 19th, 1931. In Sapeon, New Mexico. Sapeo is a small town, a small village, uh, about. 20 miles northeast of Las Vegas, New Mexico. And I guess to put that in perspective, Las Vegas is about

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60 miles, uh, east of Santa Fe. Santa Fe. So I think more people would know Santa Fe. It's, it's always good to explain that because after all we'd have to look at a map or get geographically oriented. All right, uh, can you give me the names

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of your parents and, uh. About how many brothers or sisters, not necessarily all their names, but how many, how large was your family? OK, my father's name is Jose Elvio. Sandoval and my mother's name is Amada. Sandoval and I, there were 12 children in the family.

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I'm the 3rd oldest in the family. Uh, all of them are boys except for two girls. OK. The, uh, the oldest uh son Moises is now the uh editor of the Maryknoll magazine. Uh, the, excuse me, I shouldn't say the oldest. The, the oldest died really

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at age 1, so the 2nd 10, the second one of the, of the living children. 2nd, 11 of you living at 12. Well, let's see, I've had 3 that died out of 12, so they're 99 left, OK. The number one died. OK. Then Moises was the

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second one, and he's the editor of Mary Knoll magazine, and then comes me. Uh, and I decided to go into scientific work and I have the next one is a school teacher. He has taught at the college level and at the, uh, high school and, and

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junior high level in New Mexico or no, he's in Colorado. He's in Colorado. All right. And then, uh, the next one is a dentist, uh, and he has taken up, uh, uh, an Air Force career as a dentist. Uh, the next one works for the National

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Education Association in Washington DC, uh, the next one is a school teacher also at the high school level. And then comes my sister who um. Well, she's mostly at home now. She has a lot of artistic talent, but she has a family and, uh, is taking

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care of the family. And let's see, I have been 2 more. Uh, one of them, uh, is at home working with Dad in a little landscaping business that he has, and then the youngest girl is still in college at, at Northern Colorado University in, and, uh,

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the landscaping business, is this something your father operates? Yes, what about the early years of your life? Has he always done this, or no, not always. Actually, for the 1st 13 years of my life we were farmers in New Mexico, ranchers or farmers. We, uh, had

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lumber and, uh. And you know, if you agribusiness of that sort of thing, cattle and was this a sheep kind of a family it was a family just a small 200 acre place, you know, in the mountains there in New Mexico and the town is a

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small town, right? Yes, yes, a very small town. And um uh at age 13 we moved to Colorado. And the main reason why we moved was because my dad wanted a place where we could go to high school. There wasn't the nearest high school where we

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lived was 20 miles away, and of course in those days we didn't have the transportation that, you know, we have nowadays. Very few people had cars. You see, I was born in 1931, and this was. Um, uh, now in the early 40s. Yeah. The early 40s.

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All right, but your early, uh, for instance, your elementary schooling was in the little town there. Oh yes, I went to a one room school in which all grades, 1 through the 8th grade, you know, confined in one room, one room, uh, I suppose for the

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first two years of my, uh, education, then I went to a 4-room school. Uh, still in the same town, still, still in the same region area actually 6 miles away from my house. We went by bus at that time. And uh then I moved when we

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moved to Colorado we moved to a little town called Brighton right outside of Denver, north of Denver, and there we had bigger schools, you know, there was a great school and and there was a junior high and there was a high school and I started school

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there in the 7th grade. In the junior high, in the junior high, but the early years going back just a little bit, were those, um, fairly happy or your memories or recollections of that was the, uh, community made up, uh, predominantly were there Mexican or Mexican

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American families or was this a mixed community and almost exclusively Mexican and the majority would be in the same, more or less, very much the same business or agribusiness or whatever farming or whatever. Yes, that's right, sometimes the men would go away for a while to,

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uh. Either to work in the mines, some of them. Other jobs. And then come back and, uh, sometimes they go to Wyoming and, uh, work in the railroads and then come back, you know, but for the most part, everybody stayed there. People planted wheat and, uh,

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Most of the families would grind their own wheat, take it down to the mill, grind their own wheat, and then have their own meat from animals and milk and vegetables and things like that, you know, and, uh, people have very, very small incomes, and I remember.

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Our income one year and it probably was about 1943 when I can remember was $400 a year for the family, you know, which was used for buying clothing and some of the things that you could yeah that's fine that's fine, but they were very happy years

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for me. I used to, uh. I have the responsibility of taking care of the goats, you know, and just being out. In the outdoors and Uh, I got to appreciate nature quite a bit. I really enjoy myself. And what about language was, was Spanish then spoken

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at home and we spoke Spanish at home. And so you had no problems when you went to school as, as far as, uh, language. What I'm saying, did you hear English too, or, or was that, never heard any English at home until you went to school.

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The only place we heard English was when we went to school. And in and in school the only place we spoke English was in the classroom. Outside the classroom in the playground, everyone spoke Spanish, right? There was one time when two students who were Anglos came.

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They were from Texas and very quickly they learned to speak Spanish too, you know, but I, uh, it was almost exclusively 100% Spanish speaking. So then by the time, of course, you moved to Colorado to go to the 7th grade, well, of course, you, you had

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acquired enough. Language skills, so you didn't really have a problem, especially if you went into a different Um. Background or different group of people, if they were different from what you had been used to. Uh, and also going back then, you said you enjoyed the outdoors

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and you enjoyed nature, and were there any other things that you would say you did as hobbies or that you liked to do or was. Was there anything organized, or was this just something you did on your own? You know, like scouting or anything. Oh, no.

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We didn't have. You didn't have. In fact, we didn't have Boy Scouts or anything like that. Or any clubs or anything like that? No, no clubs. Not a, not a single one. Well, we did go to church, I guess. Um-hum. And I was an altar boy

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at the time. Catholic church, you know. Um. And that's, uh, in fact, that's the only church there was. Um-hum. us. Was there, um, I mean, the, the whole family would probably. Oh, yes. Be involved in it. Right. Was, um, Predominantly you said Mexican or Mexican Americans,

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right? Were the services in Spanish and that well, no, you see, at that time you didn't have enough priests. No, no, no, you must remember that the services were in Latin at that time. That's true. That's right. That's right. But the of course the, the sermon,

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the announcements are the sermons, yeah, the sermon was in Spanish. Oh, you did have the Spanish. OK, OK. I'm, I'm just curious. And what about the, the priests? Would you, do you recall enough to know, were they from there or were they Spanish born? We were,

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we had, uh, every once in a while we would have Mexican priests there. You would have. But the one I remember, the one permanently assigned there was not, you know. Uh-huh. Uh. He was in fact his name was Lomi Father Lomi and I don't even know

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him Lomi yeah. I wanted to, yeah. OK. So when you went to, um, to Colorado then was this a very pleasant change or did you have any difficulties or making the transition or the whole since the whole family I think change is always difficult, yeah, it

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was so different. I mean, uh, of course there was employment there and we worked out in the farms picking beans and picking peas, you know. You mean you worked for somebody else at this time you didn't have your own or did you know you everybody worked

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outside. No, we worked, uh, we were more like the migrant, uh, laborers except we didn't move around. We just did the same type of work, you know, but, uh, and on into the fall we would start, uh, the topping beets, sugar beets were then, uh, grown

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extensively in Colorado and they were, uh, uh, actually worked by hand, you know, they didn't have the machines that they now have. So we usually say um missed a couple of weeks of school. Uh, while we were. In the early semester. Yeah, in the early summer.

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How about the spring then? Were you, did you have to leave school too before the semester was over? Well, at that time, we mostly worked on Saturdays, you know, to work. Oh. But not, uh, we never left school. You know, we did, uh. So, it didn't

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hurt you in that sense, huh? You going. All right, now, um, What, uh, what about the, the high school then when you were in the high school there, were you, were you active with, uh, say any of the organizations or any of the clubs or any

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of the groups? Were you too busy working? I did, I, I worked in a bowling alley when I was going to high school when young men used to set the pins manually too that's right. But um, I did participate in some of the activities other than

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than the classes. I remember the International relations club. I was part of that. I went out for track in the spring. I used to run 1 mile. Only have one blue ribbon to show, but, uh, that was my, my main sport, um. Let me see. If

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there was anything else. Newspaper or newspaper. Oh, I sold newspapers. That was long before I went to high school, you know, but, oh, you mean the high school. Yeah, but I was thinking. No, I didn't you worked for the newspaper. No, I didn't work for the

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newspaper. No, for the annual, but, uh, There may have been one other group that I have belonged to. Well, at least you did other things. Oh yes, yes. Did you, did you feel like you did well in school? You, you liked school and you enjoyed it.

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Well, I ranked 18th out of a class of 100, you know, but one of the, one of the rewards that came to me this was that, uh, 25 years after graduating in 1920 years, 20 years after graduating, my high school class. At a reunion. And uh

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I was given an award at that really. The most distinguished alumni. Award and uh I had out of my graduating class I was the only one who went on to get a PhD. Is that right? How large a class did you say out of um 100

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100 yes, 100 of them went on. So you have good memories of all that, obviously. Um there though, you said, of course, there were some, some problems of readjustment and and like you said, anybody that makes a change or move. But uh how about the, the,

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the makeup, were they still predominantly Mexicans or Mexican Americans? Were there still many in that place in Colorado or not? The town Brighton itself was about 50%, and I say that because, uh, the enrollment in the grade school was 50% Mexican American, you know. Uh, Spanish,

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Mexican American, and, uh, or Spanish speaking Spanish speaking, I guess, and, um. And 50% Anglo, you know, we also had some Japanese, you know, but a minor group and um. Uh, by the time I got to high school out of a class of 100 there were

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only 7 Mexican Americans in the class. And and the class before me, my older brother's class, only 1 out of about 100 too, so. It seemed that at the time the Mexican American kids did not really look for education, did not aspire for. There were the

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numbers in the elementary grades, but as they went on ahead, started dropping off 50% in the elementary grades, but they dropped off to 7% or so. Now I know I've gone home, uh, since, and the situation has really changed in the past so see I graduated

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from high school in 1915. It's almost 30 years ago, isn't it? It's almost 1980 now. It's 1978, 28 years ago. Now it's the, the Mexican kids are into everything. Into all the high schools and then they're going to college and you know it's they just had

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joined the mainstream. Yes, that's right. All right, um, So when you, um, you said you finished high school, then, did you go straight on to college, or were there jobs in between, or were there military, was there a military career or what? No. No interruptions. No

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interruptions. Actually, uh, My mother wanted me to go to a seminary to become a priest, you know. And I didn't want that. I didn't think that I had the vocation, you know, I didn't feel called for that sort of a life. Uh, my father really didn't

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care too much about, uh, about college. He thought that we should go out and get some type of training that would, uh, place us in a good job very quickly. In fact, what he had done with my older brother was send him to business school, and

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my brother got out of business school in about 9 months and got a job with the civil service at the, uh, uh, Estes Park, uh. Well, National Park and uh. And my father was very happy with that actually my brother, after working for about a year

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and a half, decided that he did want to go on to school because he was not really doing what he liked to do and he went on to study journalism and uh eventually to get a master's degree in journalism from uh Columbia University. Uh, but, uh,

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I went straight to college mostly because my mother wanted me to go to a Catholic school where she thought that perhaps my vocation would develop and I would go on to become a priest, you know, you would really feel that, yeah. It never happened that way

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and I went to college to please my mother, uh, my ambition really was to become a, a radio television repair man, you know, and I in mine, I had, uh. Uh, Coin Institute, which is a, a, a school in Chicago to train people in radio and

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television electronics, you know, excuse me. you were saying that what my ambition really was as far as school was concerned, so I went to Regis. Regis is a Jesuit school in Denver. It's a very fine school, very small at the time, only had an enrollment of

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about 400 students at the time. And I went there initially to please my mother, and I think that after about a year I liked it so much that I decided to stay there. My inclinations were always towards science. I loved science very much since I was

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a child. Since a youngster. Yes. And in high school, you had, had you pursued that? So, I majored in chemistry. I, my grades were not as high as as I would like them to have been, you know, because I was working. Part of the time I

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paid my way to school my parents couldn't help me obviously my father only has a 5th grade education and my mother had 8th grade education, and he's always just worked as a laborer or farms or somewhere, you know. And um and. Uh, I had to make

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it on my own. I, I borrowed money. I. I got some uh scholarships and uh and and I worked I I averaged about 30 hours a week throughout my college days, you know. So I didn't do as well as I thought I should have done as

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far as race maybe that's not that important. After graduating from college with a degree in chemistry, I enlisted in the army. It was, uh, the Korean War was, uh, winding to a close, and, uh, I had been putting off going into the service and somehow sometimes

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feeling guilty because some of my friends were going and I was in school, you know, you knew you were going to have to go sooner or later, huh? So as soon as I graduated, I enlisted in the army. I graduated June 1st and I was in

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the army by June 16th. What year was this? 1954. I spent 3 years in the army. I served with what was known as the um. First radio radiological safety support unit. And, uh, our job was to test nuclear devices that I mean we talk in bikini

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at uh. And Rocky Flats, not Rocky flats, uh Yucca Flats and uh. Uh, in, in Nevada, Nevada Test Site, you know, I also worked at Los Alamos, uh, New Mexico for a while. Were you then mostly based here then? You didn't, or what did you go

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overseas student anywhere? Well, and if we talk in the beginning, of course, the Marshall Islands and then you came back, right? My home base was in Alabama, in, uh, Fort McClellan, Alabama, but for from Fort McClellan, Alabama, I was sent out to these various places, so.

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You would go like for a certain length of time and get moved around, or did you stay out there to work on a project? Oh, we would stay on a project sometimes for as long as, uh, 56 months. Um-hum. You know. Um-hum. And get moved. Um-hum.

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And, uh, upon completion, how, how long did you say that was 33 years until 1957, actually not quite the 3 years in fact. After I had completed the last project, I was sent back to my home base and I was told there isn't enough time for

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you to go out on another project, you know, or another operation is what we call them. So you'll have to stay here until your time is up, and I really had nothing to do. They'd use me for odds and ends. Sometimes they'd say we need somebody

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to teach first aid. Oh Sando I'll go to the library, read up on first aid, and, uh, check out a film and then teach first aid, you know. So I'd do that. So, uh. I decided to apply for early release and the only reason that I

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could find for early release was to go to school. So, uh. So you went to school. So I went back to school and I went to, uh, Northern Colorado University. It didn't have that name at the time, but that's what it's called now. And I studied

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some very enjoyable subjects, uh, uh, geology and, uh, psychology, things that I had, hadn't taken up earlier, you know, right, just for fun things, you know, and, uh, and then following my three months there I got a job with, uh, Reynolds Electric and Engineering Company. It

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was a company that contracted with the Atomic Energy Commission to run some of the uh the uh experiments and do some of the work at the test site in Nevada. Now, um. Uh, I have known the same people and worked for them while I was in

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the army and in fact the civilians were now taking over some of the jobs that the army people were doing, so I ended up working as a civilian over there. In fact, some of the people that had been in my outfit were there too, except that

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now I was there as a civilian. I did this for about, um, oh, let's see, 3 months really and I, I had decided that I better, uh. Go back to graduate school, I uh. I really don't know whether it was uh that I felt the need

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for more education or or just thought that I would be better qualified for a job if I didn't have it you know we're thinking of the job market because I really wasn't working in my field. I had a degree in chemistry and I was working with

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uh radiation safety as a supervisor. Which is in the, the more general classification of this is health physics, you know. So I was accepted at Kansas State University. I think I went there because uh my professor at the Riches and friends who were there, you know.

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Uh, he had, uh, gotten his degree from Northwestern University and, uh, some of his classmates had gone to Kansas State University, so he recommended Kansas State. I applied and was accepted rather quickly. So, uh, rather than let the opportunity pass by, I went to Kansas State

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University. So is that how you came to this part of the country? Yes, that was in 1957. 1957, right. And, uh, you stayed there too. I stayed there for five years. And I, I received my PhD and, uh. And then, uh, I applied for a job.

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Here and, uh, came straight to Kansas City, and here's where I've been since. Oh, is that right? You came directly? Yeah, 1962. 62, so now you've been here 16 years. No longer. Yeah. And where did you get married, along the way, where you were here or

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was it. Well, we got married in 1962, right? Maude and I met at Kansas State University. Oh, I know. Um. Yes, she was getting her PhD in microbiology. And I was getting my PhD in chemistry at the time. Um-hum. And, uh, Mrs. Sandoval is from where

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originally? From? She's from Little Rock, Arkansas. Oh, from Arkansas. So she was here studying too. Yes. All right. And do you want to say anything else about your children or how many you have or whatever you wish to say? Well, we have, um, we have three

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children. Um-hum. Yes. Two sons. They're both at Rockers high school now. And I have, we have, uh, one daughter and she's at Saint Francis. uh, we have an older daughter from my wife's first marriage. Well, you know her, right, uh-huh, but for the record, uh-huh, and

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she's already through school and college. And, um, all right, and so then, um, you've been at UMKC and you've been with the same department. And chemistry Mrs. Sandoval too, right? She's in the, no, she's not with the university. She has worked there, uh, on certain projects

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or projects or sometimes, uh, programs or whatever, right? That's right. She's worked part time for Ala College. She's worked part time on temporary basis for Don Lake College, Rockers College, you know. Uh. She worked this past summer for the university with me on a special project.

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Um-hum. Um-hum. Um-hum. Yes, I knew you all were working this summer. Um-hum. Now, I know you mentioned, um, your special award that you received. I guess you were surprised when you went back for your class reunion. So, along the way, I'm sure you've acquired some others

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or received some recognition. Would you like to mention that or. Huh. If you can think of. It's always difficult to think about those things. I think I have. I think of something maybe that means a lot to you. I have published about 18 papers and. Chemistry

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and mostly in scientific or journals, scientific technical journals, you know. Uh, I enjoy teaching very much, I think. Mostly because I like people and I like to be with people. You like young people, I guess. Yes, it's my wife has to remind me about it once

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I did receive a. When I was a graduate student at Kansas State University, I received the research award, you know. For outstanding research in chemistry by a graduate student. Um Yeah. I guess that's it now unless you have that's all you can think of right now.

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All right, now have you, um, directly or indirectly at all been involved with any of the, uh, the Mexican or the Mexican American community or the Hispanics, whatever you want to call them now or maybe in, in your work, particularly helping students or. Organizations I have

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been involved with UMAS on campus although they're not active right now, you know, but when they were active, yes, I was a faculty person that was, uh, with them. I have also been involved with, uh, a society called the Society for the Advancement of Chicanos and

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Native Americans in Science. Uh, in fact, I attended a conference last, uh, February in Boulder. And um I've tried to encourage some of the Mexican American students to organize a a youth chapter of the society. I'm also encourage them to go into the scientific areas. Yes,

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one of my main concerns is doing and increase the number of minorities in the scientific areas and uh. And uh I just finished writing a proposal to the National Science Foundation to improve the undergraduate curriculum in such a way that would give the minorities, Mexican Americans

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and blacks and uh and any others who are not inclined to go into science a greater opportunity you know would uh give them uh additional help in those beginning years, you know, so they would go into science. You know it's a fact that even when um

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when Mexican Americans go on to higher education they usually don't enter into a scientific field. And of course that's a great concern of mine. I think that uh scientific training is is uh helpful even if you don't go into a scientific field later on it is

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the uh the type of thinking that it engenders in a person. Let's say you become a banker after receiving some scientific training. I think that you have an advantage over a person who doesn't. So that's one of my, my present concerns now and, and, uh, I'm

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hopefully we can do something about it so that, uh. The younger generation can enter into. In science, you know. Into that study. Yeah. Like you say, even if they don't pursue that as, as a career but at least have a, some background in it. But, you

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know, there are so many fields that require science as, as a background. You know, all the medical professions, you know. Um you still have to take some chemistry, some biology, some physics and some mathematics, you know. Um, The engineering fields, you know. And, and several others,

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you know, and you almost cannot get a good education without getting some background in science. So that's why that's why I am, uh, involved in science and that's why I uh enjoy my work so much. All right, um, I did want to ask you, um, Since

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we did talk a little bit about your some of your awards, uh, as you look back, um, would you credit one person or several persons, well, perhaps outside besides your mother that encouraged you, even though you didn't follow a religious career, obviously she encouraged. All of

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you, because almost all of you went into some kind of professional, well, you know, both my parents did encourage us and, uh, uh, into doing well in school, you know, uh, and making the best of what you've got and going as far as you can. So

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I can remember my dad when we were young, um. He would, uh, he himself would try to read, you know. Uh, and his favorite book was a geography book that he had, you know, but he would tell us how important it was to learn how the

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doors of opportunity would be open to us through education, you know. And later on when I was a little bit older, I can remember he would take us out into the. In the farm, you know, and, uh, he would work us extra hard, you know, long

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hours, and then he'd say at the end of the day, son. Do you wanna do this for the rest of your life? And say if you don't, you just better do well in school. So the help that my parents gave me was not a financial help,

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you know, not a material help but kind of an inspiration, you know, and it was kind of, uh, also the belief they helped build in me the belief that I could do it, that you could do it, certain confidence, so that I always felt that Sandoval

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would succeed, you know, I mean it was, uh. Success and Sandoval were two things that went together, that's right. Uh, well, that is so important. OK then, as you look ahead, are there some definite goals? I know you already talked about helping the young people and

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particularly the minority students, but, uh, are there any other? Goals or things that you would like to accomplish or see accomplished or that you would like to be a part of in helping to develop or see that they get accomplished, you know, in general I would

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really like to uh be part of. Any group or participate in the um. In in making the university. An institution that really serves the needs of people and there are a lot of things that need to be done, you know, uh. Designing of programs, you know,

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for the that really matching the the students with the courses in which they can succeed and making sure they have the necessary prerequisites and that sort of thing excites me very much. In fact, I was telling my wife the other day I, uh, I find my

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job now more exciting than ever, you know, and one of the, the, uh, beautiful things about it is that I now am with associates who are very interested in, in bringing about these sorts of changes, you know. To really uh reach the the young people or

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the yes that's right. Now another area where where um both my my wife and I are very active is in uh. In reaching out to help families, especially. Uh, in Marriage. Problems or difficulties or whatever you know. Uh, for the past, well, for about 5.5 years

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we worked on the marriage encounter program which was, uh, a program to improve communications between husband and wife, and, uh, was this also at the university or no, this was, this was a part of the church, yes, I'm a deacon in the church and I don't

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know if you knew that or not, but, uh, uh, where, where or what church it's a Catholic church, Saint Louis Parish, you know. And uh part of part of the work of the deacon is to serve uh the people in some way or another, you know,

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and they're all all sorts of areas where people serve as deacons some of them work with the aged. Some of them work with marriage preparation, helping young people prepare for marriage. Some of them help helping marriages stay together, you know. And uh we are more interested

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in the quality of family life. Because if you look at the at the world today. It seems that there has been a deterioration of family life. And we see it very important for the health of our nation for the health of our community, that the family

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life, which is really what gave us strength coming up. That the family life is preserved as a healthy and viable unit, you know. We are alarmed by the divorce rates in some states I understand it's, it's going as high as 80%, you know. So it is

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we see that uh that the community is is only as strong as it's uh as it's weakest family you know so to speak. But uh that's one part that really excites us too. All right. Is there any other thing you would like to add at this

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time that we may not have covered and maybe we should? Let's see more. Do you think there's anything else I should add? I don't think. You would like to say. And trying to sort of, We're saying about another. Are program that you were interested or well,

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the two of us worked this summer together in a program for uh uh joy. Uh, participants, you know, job opportunity for you, you know, mayor's council for these opportunities, right? Mhm. Now this was the one at the university, right? This was the one at the university,

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but it represents kind of an outreach into the community, not, not really working with people that students that come to the. University but actually now reaching out into the community, you know, almost, well, not exactly upward bound but still trying to reach those maybe to get

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them like a transition or whatever right in fact we were, we were what we were trying to do was see if we could provide out. Alternative ways. Of education To see if uh if uh we could accomplish something that the the schools are not doing you

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know mainly exciting these kids into uh into learning. Building some excitement about learning specifically science because that's our areas, you know, but it, uh, it's in a way it's the same but in a way it's different because it represents a reach out to a different type

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of population, you know, we want to continue this type of activity reaching those people that ordinarily are not reached through the regular channels because often it's the college oriented students that are always reached anyway, uh-huh so now you're trying to reach those that are usually left

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out, so to speak. OK. Well, very good. Is, is there anything else? Nothing else. OK. I certainly want to thank you, Doctor Sandoval, and I wish you all kinds of success on that or whatever other programs you all undertake. OK. Well thank you very much.